"We have observed homosexual behavior in prenatally stressed male rats after castration plus sex hormone treatment in adulthood, whereas prenatally non-stressed but later equally treated males displayed heterosexual behavior."
Fascinating. Thank you for taking the time to do the research, as always. I have a question. If, hypothetically, one wanted to limit the chances of such adaptation in their own offspring, what would you say would be reliable metrics (temperature aside) to keep an eye on during pregnancy?
This is maybe a bit of a pie in the sky, but do you think that to minimise stress one could try to optimise the intake of electrolytes and B vitamins - and “the rest will follow” ?
Incredibly interesting research. Georgi Dinkov has written about this topic before, but it tends to get people's knickers in a twist. So, I commend your attention to it. I agree that it is evil to defile and distort the worthwhile facts and correlations with pre-natal stress and later behaviours.
This is a really interesting article and very well-researched. Thanks for posting, earned a follow from me. I checked out some of your Twitter posts, too, especially on thyroid stuff and it's all really good. The articles on DHEA and lisuride are fascinating.
For some context and background, I've known I was attracted to other guys since I was 10 or 11 (developed a strong abnormal affinity/infatuation with a middle school boy on my swim team), though I didn't think too much of it and it didn't become really strong until around 16 or 17 when I developed a really strong crush on my (male) best friend.
The link between homosexuality – and more generally, male sensitivity or fragility – and maternal stress makes sense and tracks. My mom was constantly vomiting when she was pregnant with me (never knew why – she was perfectly emotionally and spiritually healthy the whole time, but physical nutrition was difficult for some reason). Not so with my older brother who is straight, but also somewhat sensitive. I used to get a lot of seizures and fevers when young.
The idea that homosexuality is linked to metabolic dysfunction tracks pretty well in my experience, as well. In my later adolescence and young adulthood, had several years of some type of 'eating disorder' that probably tracks somewhat with anorexia – something that appears in sensitive girls. I think the cause was partly psychological (being bullied) and partly hormonal. Around that time I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, though this is more genetic (through my patriline) than environmental – my paternal grandmother and several others in that lineage have also had thyroid issues.
What's interesting is that my patriline is almost exclusively men. My dad has two brothers, and both of them have exclusively sons (except for one daughter; I only have one patrilineal female first cousin). My dad's dad (paternal grandfather) is one of six (or seven?) children and five of them were boys. I don't know if any of them were gay. Paternal great-grandfather's generation is also almost exclusively boys, too.
Stuff around stereotypical interests has always been quite a mixed bag: I used to hang around with girls a lot in elementary school (interested in people more than things), but I also liked playing with boys because I deeply enjoy using my hands to build things, and they were always better at it. Even today, I do a lot of construction/mechanical work, and have significant aptitude in that area. Most of my friends now in adulthood are straight men. For instance, it's more fun and easier to do target practice with men; they match my spatial and mechanical aptitude and can teach me and learn from me better (also men look sexy as fuck shooting AR15s).
I've considered doing some type of androgen therapy, not because I feel a need to change my sexual orientation (I date exclusively men, and feel totally comfortable with it; no desire to date or have sex with girls; want to find a husband), but because I've heard cases where it fixed many metabolism and health issues. I tend to get injured pretty easily and recovery time takes longer. For example, when I go rock climbing, I can only do ~2 days in a row, and then have to spend a ~week recovering – especially my forearms/grip and shoulder/throwing power.
However, in terms of pain threshholds, I will say I do tend to have *a lot* more endurance/resilience than my male friends in terms of withstanding constant physical suffering over longer periods. This is what made me a good competitive swimmer. I think you've noted that this type of resilience is more characteristic of females; males handle more acute pain/injury in shorter bursts.
What makes me feel sad is that most people can't tell these things about me just by looking. I'm a 6'3" well-built male (at one point I was deadlifting close to 400 lbs. regularly, but I don't do weight lifting too often anymore), and I don't have effeminate mannerisms (never had a desire to be a girl, or trans, or even do drag), and I do contact sports often (kickboxing, jiu-jitsu, wrestling). I actually experience a significant amount of distress and anxiety when girls try to flirt with me – I'm not a player by any means, but it happens often enough strictly because of my physique + beard; it's a very uncomfortable experience.
Can you please learn that nested quotation marks go double-single in U.S. and Canadian English, and, at any event, no English dialect permits double quotes within double quotes?
Thanks this was interesting. As I’ve commented elsewhere I would put maternal stressors as one factor in a constellation of factors that contribute to the development of homosexuality. As a person who used to identify as “gay” I’d say based on my own experience and the research I’ve been doing that no one is “born gay” same sex attraction develops in the course of childhood development as a result of stressors and the manner in which the child responds to and makes meaning of those stressors. I like to view as the autonomic nervous system (which controls sexual function) goes haywire due to unresolved stress in the system. Like you said some people develop autoimmune diseases as a result of a dysregulated nervous system, various maladaptive conditions which we all agree are not ideal but somehow we accept homosexuality. I’ll look into DHEA from the story it seems it was linked with an increase in assertiveness and a greater identification with maleness- these are things I’m working on as I can see they are components of the same sex attraction I experience
the only real correlations im aware of is height and penis size. Having a large aesthetic penis may make you develop an attraction to penises, and having a small height might make you feel more feminine and womanly
Fascinating. Thank you for taking the time to do the research, as always. I have a question. If, hypothetically, one wanted to limit the chances of such adaptation in their own offspring, what would you say would be reliable metrics (temperature aside) to keep an eye on during pregnancy?
This is maybe a bit of a pie in the sky, but do you think that to minimise stress one could try to optimise the intake of electrolytes and B vitamins - and “the rest will follow” ?
Incredibly interesting research. Georgi Dinkov has written about this topic before, but it tends to get people's knickers in a twist. So, I commend your attention to it. I agree that it is evil to defile and distort the worthwhile facts and correlations with pre-natal stress and later behaviours.
Well done!
This is a really interesting article and very well-researched. Thanks for posting, earned a follow from me. I checked out some of your Twitter posts, too, especially on thyroid stuff and it's all really good. The articles on DHEA and lisuride are fascinating.
For some context and background, I've known I was attracted to other guys since I was 10 or 11 (developed a strong abnormal affinity/infatuation with a middle school boy on my swim team), though I didn't think too much of it and it didn't become really strong until around 16 or 17 when I developed a really strong crush on my (male) best friend.
The link between homosexuality – and more generally, male sensitivity or fragility – and maternal stress makes sense and tracks. My mom was constantly vomiting when she was pregnant with me (never knew why – she was perfectly emotionally and spiritually healthy the whole time, but physical nutrition was difficult for some reason). Not so with my older brother who is straight, but also somewhat sensitive. I used to get a lot of seizures and fevers when young.
The idea that homosexuality is linked to metabolic dysfunction tracks pretty well in my experience, as well. In my later adolescence and young adulthood, had several years of some type of 'eating disorder' that probably tracks somewhat with anorexia – something that appears in sensitive girls. I think the cause was partly psychological (being bullied) and partly hormonal. Around that time I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, though this is more genetic (through my patriline) than environmental – my paternal grandmother and several others in that lineage have also had thyroid issues.
What's interesting is that my patriline is almost exclusively men. My dad has two brothers, and both of them have exclusively sons (except for one daughter; I only have one patrilineal female first cousin). My dad's dad (paternal grandfather) is one of six (or seven?) children and five of them were boys. I don't know if any of them were gay. Paternal great-grandfather's generation is also almost exclusively boys, too.
Stuff around stereotypical interests has always been quite a mixed bag: I used to hang around with girls a lot in elementary school (interested in people more than things), but I also liked playing with boys because I deeply enjoy using my hands to build things, and they were always better at it. Even today, I do a lot of construction/mechanical work, and have significant aptitude in that area. Most of my friends now in adulthood are straight men. For instance, it's more fun and easier to do target practice with men; they match my spatial and mechanical aptitude and can teach me and learn from me better (also men look sexy as fuck shooting AR15s).
I've considered doing some type of androgen therapy, not because I feel a need to change my sexual orientation (I date exclusively men, and feel totally comfortable with it; no desire to date or have sex with girls; want to find a husband), but because I've heard cases where it fixed many metabolism and health issues. I tend to get injured pretty easily and recovery time takes longer. For example, when I go rock climbing, I can only do ~2 days in a row, and then have to spend a ~week recovering – especially my forearms/grip and shoulder/throwing power.
However, in terms of pain threshholds, I will say I do tend to have *a lot* more endurance/resilience than my male friends in terms of withstanding constant physical suffering over longer periods. This is what made me a good competitive swimmer. I think you've noted that this type of resilience is more characteristic of females; males handle more acute pain/injury in shorter bursts.
What makes me feel sad is that most people can't tell these things about me just by looking. I'm a 6'3" well-built male (at one point I was deadlifting close to 400 lbs. regularly, but I don't do weight lifting too often anymore), and I don't have effeminate mannerisms (never had a desire to be a girl, or trans, or even do drag), and I do contact sports often (kickboxing, jiu-jitsu, wrestling). I actually experience a significant amount of distress and anxiety when girls try to flirt with me – I'm not a player by any means, but it happens often enough strictly because of my physique + beard; it's a very uncomfortable experience.
study with maternal stress theory did not replicate
https://sci-hub.st/https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01541847
https://anthropogeny.com/AIDS%20and%20DHEA.htm
Can you please learn that nested quotation marks go double-single in U.S. and Canadian English, and, at any event, no English dialect permits double quotes within double quotes?
Thanks for sharing this, this explains quite a bit about why I'm the way I'm
Thanks this was interesting. As I’ve commented elsewhere I would put maternal stressors as one factor in a constellation of factors that contribute to the development of homosexuality. As a person who used to identify as “gay” I’d say based on my own experience and the research I’ve been doing that no one is “born gay” same sex attraction develops in the course of childhood development as a result of stressors and the manner in which the child responds to and makes meaning of those stressors. I like to view as the autonomic nervous system (which controls sexual function) goes haywire due to unresolved stress in the system. Like you said some people develop autoimmune diseases as a result of a dysregulated nervous system, various maladaptive conditions which we all agree are not ideal but somehow we accept homosexuality. I’ll look into DHEA from the story it seems it was linked with an increase in assertiveness and a greater identification with maleness- these are things I’m working on as I can see they are components of the same sex attraction I experience
the only real correlations im aware of is height and penis size. Having a large aesthetic penis may make you develop an attraction to penises, and having a small height might make you feel more feminine and womanly